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flossly 25 minutes ago [-]
I really wish a patron would step up and sponsor this project. Not just by money, but also by plugging it in their browser-carrying products. Maybe Hauwei of Samgsung; they now sling a browser derived of another for-profit --usually competitor-- company's browser.
fifilura 11 minutes ago [-]
I don't really see why they would do that?
embedding-shape 7 minutes ago [-]
So right now Servo is funded by the community, and this is no good because why? Instead you propose that this project should be funded by a for-profit company with it's own objectives in this world (that often starts with "more money"), again leading me to ask why?
The setup right now seems to give enough people enough time to work on it to move forward, why on earth would you want to involve companies infamous for their shit software quality, like Samsung?
macic 46 minutes ago [-]
The Hurd of browser engines
flossly 24 minutes ago [-]
I remember waiting on the Mozilla project to deliver something that could browse as well on linux as closed source browsers on windows/mac did.
It... took... long...
But there it was. And it still works.
embedding-shape 6 minutes ago [-]
Was this recent? Because Firefox were the browser that worked better than all the rest, for quite many years, maybe 2005-2010, and Firefox had no competition basically until Chrome arrived on the scene.
Just the fact that Firefox got browser tabs before anyone else, and Firebug, just took it to another level compared to all the other browsers available at the time.
mrmincent 29 minutes ago [-]
Feels like ladybird is going to Linux Servo
flossly 25 minutes ago [-]
That's news! Would be really cool.
bpbp-mango 36 minutes ago [-]
> Can I submit a PR that includes code generated by AI tools?
>
>No. This includes (but is not limited to) all generative AI tools like Claude, Codex, ChatGPT, Cursor, Gemini, and Windsurf.
on your one man browser project? ok then
jaytaph 33 minutes ago [-]
It's a decision they've made. Perfectly reasonable. If they did accept AI code, that's perfectly reasonable too. They just made their policy clear here..
nicce 18 minutes ago [-]
I would personally whitelist people with good enough reputation/contribution history. Might get the best from both worlds. Avoiding AI spam while saving time for the core contributors. If they just have capability to use it responsibly.
throawayonthe 24 minutes ago [-]
on their what?
fifilura 9 minutes ago [-]
Hot take... There is something about programming projects spending 10x (or 1000x) the effort to parallelize execution when everything is still restricted by von Neumann architecture.
p-e-w 58 minutes ago [-]
What can one actually do with Servo today?
It’s apparently still not ready to be used as a browser engine (and may never be), so what exactly is it for?
foresterre 54 minutes ago [-]
Regardless of actual use as an (embedded) browser, it is useful in the sense that it can be used to provide (another) source of validation about whether specs and WPT [1] tests are properly and clearly defined. That helps for long term browser compatibility.
Making a new browser engine hurts browser compatibility more than it helps it. It now becomes one more target that needs to be tested against, limitations need to be kept tracked of, etc. The best thing for long term browser compatibility is focusing resources into Blink. In regards to the standard we can use LLMs to cross reference the spec, with tests, and with the implementation to make sure all match.
teekert 25 minutes ago [-]
Ah, you must be too young to have experienced early Internet Explorer, which attempted just this.
embedding-shape 4 minutes ago [-]
> The best thing for long term browser compatibility is focusing resources into Blink.
Lol, for Blink perhaps, what about the rest of the ecosystem, the web and the users, like the ones who don't even use Blink?
Very idealistic point-of-view with no basis in reality, sadly, because wouldn't it be nice if we could care about just one engine?
latexr 12 minutes ago [-]
> The best thing for long term browser compatibility is focusing resources into Blink.
That’s what makes Google more dominant, and if you think that’s a good idea you should really put down your LLM and go read up on a bit of history. Do you want to live in a world where a single company controls your access to the web? Are you eager to navigate through ad pages with a little bit of web? To have even more of your data mined?
Browser diversity may be a bit annoying for developers, but it is good for users, and developers are users too. When there’s a lack of diversity, everyone but the dominant player is squeezed.
Oxodao 20 minutes ago [-]
yeah in a perfect world google dictates how the standard will evolve, we kill all competition so we're sure that you have only one target to build your software against, I'm sure a monopoly will greatly improves innovation and not be used to stiffen competition. /s
Servo doesn't implement the whole web platform, but your own desktop app isn't the whole web. You can generally work around any limitations or missing features. And it might be lighter than CEF or whatever.
The setup right now seems to give enough people enough time to work on it to move forward, why on earth would you want to involve companies infamous for their shit software quality, like Samsung?
It... took... long...
But there it was. And it still works.
Just the fact that Firefox got browser tabs before anyone else, and Firebug, just took it to another level compared to all the other browsers available at the time.
on your one man browser project? ok then
It’s apparently still not ready to be used as a browser engine (and may never be), so what exactly is it for?
[1] https://wpt.fyi/results/?label=experimental&label=master&pro...
Making a new browser engine hurts browser compatibility more than it helps it. It now becomes one more target that needs to be tested against, limitations need to be kept tracked of, etc. The best thing for long term browser compatibility is focusing resources into Blink. In regards to the standard we can use LLMs to cross reference the spec, with tests, and with the implementation to make sure all match.
Lol, for Blink perhaps, what about the rest of the ecosystem, the web and the users, like the ones who don't even use Blink?
Very idealistic point-of-view with no basis in reality, sadly, because wouldn't it be nice if we could care about just one engine?
That’s what makes Google more dominant, and if you think that’s a good idea you should really put down your LLM and go read up on a bit of history. Do you want to live in a world where a single company controls your access to the web? Are you eager to navigate through ad pages with a little bit of web? To have even more of your data mined?
Browser diversity may be a bit annoying for developers, but it is good for users, and developers are users too. When there’s a lack of diversity, everyone but the dominant player is squeezed.
https://github.com/versotile-org/tauri-runtime-verso
Servo doesn't implement the whole web platform, but your own desktop app isn't the whole web. You can generally work around any limitations or missing features. And it might be lighter than CEF or whatever.